1 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:09,049 welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast 2 00:00:16,900 --> 00:00:13,930 from Australia for science and reason 3 00:00:23,570 --> 00:00:16,910 [Applause] 4 00:00:27,550 --> 00:00:25,490 yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast 5 00:00:30,609 --> 00:00:27,560 episode number 6 00:00:33,229 --> 00:00:30,619 766 make of that what you will 7 00:00:36,250 --> 00:00:33,239 numerologists for the 11th or there's 8 00:00:39,889 --> 00:00:36,260 another one of June 2023 9 00:00:41,869 --> 00:00:39,899 two zero two three plus the number of 10 00:00:44,930 --> 00:00:41,879 first thought off take away your 11 00:00:46,250 --> 00:00:44,940 birthday add three whatever this is 12 00:00:48,590 --> 00:00:46,260 Richard Saunders coming to you from 13 00:00:51,170 --> 00:00:48,600 Sydney Australia the skeptic Zone 14 00:00:53,869 --> 00:00:51,180 Studios complete with the two skeptic 15 00:00:55,430 --> 00:00:53,879 Zone cats outside the door because it's 16 00:00:58,069 --> 00:00:55,440 time for their breakfast but they will 17 00:01:00,830 --> 00:00:58,079 have to wait until I record this 18 00:01:03,590 --> 00:01:00,840 introduction you'll have to wait coming 19 00:01:06,410 --> 00:01:03,600 up on this week's show again 20 00:01:09,770 --> 00:01:06,420 again with the UFOs 21 00:01:11,990 --> 00:01:09,780 they just keep coming back back and back 22 00:01:14,570 --> 00:01:12,000 maybe they like visiting Earth that's 23 00:01:17,030 --> 00:01:14,580 what we must conclude Aliens Must Have a 24 00:01:18,469 --> 00:01:17,040 tourist route let's see first stop Pluto 25 00:01:20,270 --> 00:01:18,479 What's Happening Here not much it's 26 00:01:23,090 --> 00:01:20,280 pretty it's very nice 27 00:01:25,969 --> 00:01:23,100 let's go to Mars oh look we can see 28 00:01:27,649 --> 00:01:25,979 signs of alien life on mars or alien 29 00:01:29,210 --> 00:01:27,659 technology oh look at that blue planet 30 00:01:31,310 --> 00:01:29,220 just near the sun let's have a look at 31 00:01:33,770 --> 00:01:31,320 that goodness 32 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:33,780 what shall we do I know we'll land and 33 00:01:39,069 --> 00:01:36,240 make circles in their crop fields are 34 00:01:41,749 --> 00:01:39,079 you sure you want to do that yeah 35 00:01:43,789 --> 00:01:41,759 again with the UFOs coming up at the top 36 00:01:46,969 --> 00:01:43,799 of the show we look at the latest 37 00:01:49,370 --> 00:01:46,979 flashing the pan they're here now any 38 00:01:51,649 --> 00:01:49,380 day now here they are we have a 39 00:01:54,830 --> 00:01:51,659 whistleblower it's all happening at last 40 00:01:58,730 --> 00:01:54,840 again as we've heard many many many 41 00:02:00,770 --> 00:01:58,740 times before good old UFOs are coming up 42 00:02:03,410 --> 00:02:00,780 at the top of the show following that 43 00:02:06,709 --> 00:02:03,420 Susan gerbick chimes in once again with 44 00:02:09,350 --> 00:02:06,719 more interviews of local Skeptics in 45 00:02:11,869 --> 00:02:09,360 action This Time Susan talks to Daniel 46 00:02:14,690 --> 00:02:11,879 Reed from the West Virginia Skeptics 47 00:02:16,790 --> 00:02:14,700 society and this is a really interesting 48 00:02:19,070 --> 00:02:16,800 segment uh Susan's putting together 49 00:02:20,809 --> 00:02:19,080 because it shows that there are people 50 00:02:23,570 --> 00:02:20,819 out there 51 00:02:25,610 --> 00:02:23,580 um interested in doing something about 52 00:02:28,550 --> 00:02:25,620 local skepticism 53 00:02:31,610 --> 00:02:28,560 then to round off the show again with 54 00:02:35,210 --> 00:02:31,620 the UFOs we look at references to UFOs 55 00:02:36,830 --> 00:02:35,220 in the Trove archive and NASA one of 56 00:02:41,270 --> 00:02:36,840 Australian newspapers been reporting 57 00:02:43,670 --> 00:02:41,280 over the years about UFOs and NASA now 58 00:02:46,430 --> 00:02:43,680 don't forget if you go to skepticzone.tv 59 00:02:48,589 --> 00:02:46,440 and look at this week's show notes apart 60 00:02:51,470 --> 00:02:48,599 from all the links mentioned in the show 61 00:02:54,470 --> 00:02:51,480 you can see what the skeptic Zone was 62 00:02:57,050 --> 00:02:54,480 doing 10 years ago with a link to the 63 00:02:59,330 --> 00:02:57,060 episode from 10 years ago for example 10 64 00:03:01,369 --> 00:02:59,340 years ago Maynard was speaking to Dr 65 00:03:06,770 --> 00:03:01,379 Paul Willis 66 00:03:08,390 --> 00:03:06,780 professor of paleontology now before we 67 00:03:12,290 --> 00:03:08,400 get stuck into the UFOs and Other 68 00:03:15,110 --> 00:03:12,300 Stories don't forget that skepticon 2023 69 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:15,120 this year is in Melbourne and that's on 70 00:03:20,210 --> 00:03:18,000 the 2nd to the 3rd of December and 71 00:03:22,190 --> 00:03:20,220 already I'm very pleased to say they've 72 00:03:25,070 --> 00:03:22,200 lined up some early speakers including 73 00:03:27,830 --> 00:03:25,080 Susan gerbick who is like the Energizer 74 00:03:30,589 --> 00:03:27,840 Bunny of the skeptical world and Melanie 75 00:03:32,869 --> 00:03:30,599 trezic King who we interviewed are I 76 00:03:35,990 --> 00:03:32,879 think within the last year it's a very 77 00:03:37,250 --> 00:03:36,000 interesting early speakers lined up and 78 00:03:39,170 --> 00:03:37,260 the people putting that together the 79 00:03:43,130 --> 00:03:39,180 good people at the Victorian Skeptics 80 00:03:46,009 --> 00:03:43,140 hello Victorian Skeptics hello our 81 00:03:48,350 --> 00:03:46,019 um I've put out a call for papers now 82 00:03:51,050 --> 00:03:48,360 this closes this call for papers closes 83 00:03:54,949 --> 00:03:51,060 on the 12th of June which is 84 00:03:56,630 --> 00:03:54,959 in Australian timing tomorrow so if 85 00:04:00,229 --> 00:03:56,640 you're hearing this 86 00:04:02,509 --> 00:04:00,239 might be able to take advantage of that 87 00:04:04,610 --> 00:04:02,519 they say we are looking for people who 88 00:04:06,589 --> 00:04:04,620 have some public speaking experience 89 00:04:10,130 --> 00:04:06,599 perhaps at prior convention skeptic 90 00:04:12,410 --> 00:04:10,140 camps academically or on podcasts both 91 00:04:14,509 --> 00:04:12,420 subject experts and enthusiastic 92 00:04:16,610 --> 00:04:14,519 skeptical investigators are encouraged 93 00:04:19,370 --> 00:04:16,620 to participate anyway you can find out 94 00:04:22,930 --> 00:04:19,380 more information about that if you're 95 00:04:26,930 --> 00:04:22,940 just in time just in time by heading to 96 00:04:28,909 --> 00:04:26,940 skepticon.org dot a u and if you happen 97 00:04:30,469 --> 00:04:28,919 to go to the convention later this year 98 00:04:32,810 --> 00:04:30,479 you might be able to take advantage of 99 00:04:35,210 --> 00:04:32,820 your trip to Melbourne and explore some 100 00:04:37,310 --> 00:04:35,220 of the areas around Melbourne like the 101 00:04:39,530 --> 00:04:37,320 uh the surf Coast which is a fabulous 102 00:04:42,290 --> 00:04:39,540 area of the country complete with the 103 00:04:45,469 --> 00:04:42,300 lighthouse and lots of nice things 104 00:04:48,830 --> 00:04:45,479 indeed and in fact coming up later on in 105 00:04:51,350 --> 00:04:48,840 the Trove segment parts of uh Melbourne 106 00:04:52,430 --> 00:04:51,360 are mentioned in regards to UFO 107 00:04:56,570 --> 00:04:52,440 sightings 108 00:04:58,310 --> 00:04:56,580 maybe you can see a UFO and UFO a UFO 109 00:05:01,010 --> 00:04:58,320 but now it's time for me to run 110 00:05:03,230 --> 00:05:01,020 downstairs tripping over the cats who 111 00:05:05,270 --> 00:05:03,240 are at the door and feed them breakfast 112 00:05:07,249 --> 00:05:05,280 yes that's what I'll do I won't have my 113 00:05:09,290 --> 00:05:07,259 breakfast myself I will feed the cats 114 00:05:10,850 --> 00:05:09,300 their breakfast and what is their 115 00:05:14,570 --> 00:05:10,860 breakfast today 116 00:05:16,310 --> 00:05:14,580 cat cables while I do that I hope you 117 00:05:18,230 --> 00:05:16,320 enjoy then I hope they enjoyed their 118 00:05:19,110 --> 00:05:18,240 breakfast and I hope you enjoy the 119 00:05:27,410 --> 00:05:19,120 skeptic Zone 120 00:05:37,850 --> 00:05:27,420 [Music] 121 00:05:44,749 --> 00:05:40,850 again 122 00:05:47,330 --> 00:05:44,759 with the UFOs oh it's the subject that 123 00:05:49,730 --> 00:05:47,340 just keeps on giving year after year 124 00:05:53,990 --> 00:05:49,740 after decade after decade after decade 125 00:05:58,610 --> 00:05:54,000 after decade and the 126 00:06:02,150 --> 00:05:58,620 I guess the overarching theme about the 127 00:06:05,270 --> 00:06:02,160 UFO stories we see well every few months 128 00:06:07,730 --> 00:06:05,280 it seems to me is something I wrote 129 00:06:10,850 --> 00:06:07,740 about in the skeptic magazine the 130 00:06:13,370 --> 00:06:10,860 journal from Australian Skeptics in an 131 00:06:15,469 --> 00:06:13,380 article I called 132 00:06:20,090 --> 00:06:15,479 any day now 133 00:06:23,870 --> 00:06:20,100 its secrets and will discover that UFOs 134 00:06:26,689 --> 00:06:23,880 are real as in alien spacecraft 135 00:06:28,129 --> 00:06:26,699 and this was in the skeptic volume 41 136 00:06:29,930 --> 00:06:28,139 number three 137 00:06:32,749 --> 00:06:29,940 for those of you who are interested you 138 00:06:35,270 --> 00:06:32,759 can download that the issue from the 139 00:06:38,029 --> 00:06:35,280 Skeptics website skeptics.com today you 140 00:06:40,249 --> 00:06:38,039 the article is called any day now I 141 00:06:42,409 --> 00:06:40,259 promise Richard Saunders looks at the 142 00:06:45,050 --> 00:06:42,419 bait that keeps the Believers hooked for 143 00:06:47,870 --> 00:06:45,060 years decades centuries and Millennia 144 00:06:50,570 --> 00:06:47,880 because this promise can be applied to 145 00:06:53,990 --> 00:06:50,580 many things particularly religious 146 00:06:58,129 --> 00:06:54,000 various religious claims like so and so 147 00:07:00,969 --> 00:06:58,139 deity will return any day now in the 148 00:07:03,529 --> 00:07:00,979 article I talk about mostly about UFOs 149 00:07:07,309 --> 00:07:03,539 and the fact that there's been a long 150 00:07:10,390 --> 00:07:07,319 history of any day now documentaries 151 00:07:13,029 --> 00:07:10,400 and we have and I've listed these before 152 00:07:17,330 --> 00:07:13,039 theatrical documentaries like 153 00:07:21,589 --> 00:07:17,340 1970 Chariots of the Gods 1976 overlords 154 00:07:23,809 --> 00:07:21,599 of the UFO 1977 mystery of the Gods 1979 155 00:07:28,570 --> 00:07:23,819 it has begun 156 00:07:31,550 --> 00:07:28,580 1980 UFO syndrome 1995 the alien autopsy 157 00:07:33,129 --> 00:07:31,560 1997 Australian UFOs and alien 158 00:07:36,350 --> 00:07:33,139 encounters Down Under 159 00:07:38,930 --> 00:07:36,360 2005 the UFO phenomenon seeing is 160 00:07:41,089 --> 00:07:38,940 believing and of course since this was 161 00:07:45,170 --> 00:07:41,099 published there have been more and 162 00:07:47,629 --> 00:07:45,180 recently due to the U.S military's the 163 00:07:50,930 --> 00:07:47,639 various U.S military videos you've no 164 00:07:53,089 --> 00:07:50,940 doubt seen Tic Tac and go fast and all 165 00:07:55,029 --> 00:07:53,099 those sort of things it has been coming 166 00:07:57,650 --> 00:07:55,039 more and more in the public 167 00:07:59,809 --> 00:07:57,660 imagination in the story I talk about 168 00:08:01,490 --> 00:07:59,819 the Australian journalist Ross coultart 169 00:08:04,909 --> 00:08:01,500 and he has been getting a lot of 170 00:08:07,129 --> 00:08:04,919 publicity for his so-called Research 171 00:08:10,629 --> 00:08:07,139 into 172 00:08:13,150 --> 00:08:10,639 UFOs and interviewing so-called 173 00:08:16,029 --> 00:08:13,160 whistleblowers and he's done it again 174 00:08:20,089 --> 00:08:16,039 and hence the latest 175 00:08:22,129 --> 00:08:20,099 UFO flash in the band and I refer and 176 00:08:24,050 --> 00:08:22,139 I'll link to this in the show notes I 177 00:08:26,990 --> 00:08:24,060 referred to the website bad UFOs 178 00:08:31,189 --> 00:08:27,000 skepticism UFOs in the universe 179 00:08:33,290 --> 00:08:31,199 with a coverage of this latest drama 180 00:08:36,769 --> 00:08:33,300 this was published on the 7th of June on 181 00:08:39,649 --> 00:08:36,779 that website it says story of dramatic 182 00:08:42,649 --> 00:08:39,659 new UFO whistleblower begins to crumble 183 00:08:44,930 --> 00:08:42,659 so unless you have been living under a 184 00:08:47,269 --> 00:08:44,940 rock these past few days you would have 185 00:08:49,550 --> 00:08:47,279 seen the breathless uncritical coverage 186 00:08:52,490 --> 00:08:49,560 of the latest UFO whistleblower making 187 00:08:55,670 --> 00:08:52,500 extraordinary claims he is a former 188 00:08:57,170 --> 00:08:55,680 Intel guy named David grush who has I 189 00:08:58,970 --> 00:08:57,180 hope I pronounced that right grush who 190 00:09:02,269 --> 00:08:58,980 has recently been turning up all over 191 00:09:05,810 --> 00:09:02,279 the credulous media making claims of 192 00:09:06,949 --> 00:09:05,820 secret government crashed UFO retrieval 193 00:09:09,350 --> 00:09:06,959 programs 194 00:09:13,070 --> 00:09:09,360 now there are various interviews with 195 00:09:17,449 --> 00:09:13,080 him online you can see one with uh Ross 196 00:09:20,570 --> 00:09:17,459 cortat and the unbelievably for me the 197 00:09:23,150 --> 00:09:20,580 unbelievably gobsmacking thing is how 198 00:09:26,150 --> 00:09:23,160 uncritical journalists certain 199 00:09:28,910 --> 00:09:26,160 journalists have become it's astonishing 200 00:09:31,310 --> 00:09:28,920 because all this guy has 201 00:09:33,889 --> 00:09:31,320 uh claims 202 00:09:36,530 --> 00:09:33,899 nothing nothing substantial to back it 203 00:09:38,750 --> 00:09:36,540 up his claims are he's spoken to people 204 00:09:41,509 --> 00:09:38,760 who have seen this or dealt with this or 205 00:09:43,730 --> 00:09:41,519 or are dealing with this 206 00:09:46,730 --> 00:09:43,740 and that's it 207 00:09:49,610 --> 00:09:46,740 there's no photographic evidence there's 208 00:09:53,050 --> 00:09:49,620 no bits of alien artifacts there's no 209 00:09:55,670 --> 00:09:53,060 bodies there's no good evidence 210 00:09:57,490 --> 00:09:55,680 deconstructing our present technology to 211 00:10:01,009 --> 00:09:57,500 discover oh it must have been 212 00:10:02,870 --> 00:10:01,019 reconstructed from crashed UFOs and 213 00:10:07,930 --> 00:10:02,880 again when you watch the media reports 214 00:10:11,210 --> 00:10:07,940 they play endlessly the same old tired 215 00:10:14,030 --> 00:10:11,220 debunked UFO videos from the past few 216 00:10:16,490 --> 00:10:14,040 years mostly the military ones 217 00:10:18,410 --> 00:10:16,500 do they not have the time to do research 218 00:10:21,490 --> 00:10:18,420 and discover that people like Mick West 219 00:10:24,410 --> 00:10:21,500 as quite conclusively 220 00:10:26,210 --> 00:10:24,420 deconstructed these videos and made a 221 00:10:28,610 --> 00:10:26,220 very good analysis to show what is 222 00:10:31,190 --> 00:10:28,620 really going on and reasonably pointed 223 00:10:33,470 --> 00:10:31,200 out that these are not in fact alien 224 00:10:35,810 --> 00:10:33,480 spacecraft in fact here's a clip of Mick 225 00:10:38,630 --> 00:10:35,820 West on the news Nation programs talking 226 00:10:40,070 --> 00:10:38,640 to Chris cumo it would be wonderful if 227 00:10:43,490 --> 00:10:40,080 it was true I would love to find 228 00:10:46,610 --> 00:10:43,500 evidence of alien visitors but ufology 229 00:10:48,230 --> 00:10:46,620 has been a subject that has been filled 230 00:10:50,630 --> 00:10:48,240 with promises we're always being 231 00:10:52,190 --> 00:10:50,640 promised promised that disclosure is 232 00:10:53,990 --> 00:10:52,200 just around the corner the government is 233 00:10:55,370 --> 00:10:54,000 going to tell us what they know and this 234 00:10:57,530 --> 00:10:55,380 just seems like another one of those 235 00:10:59,449 --> 00:10:57,540 promises and until we actually get the 236 00:11:01,850 --> 00:10:59,459 goods until someone brings the receipts 237 00:11:03,410 --> 00:11:01,860 I think we really need to be skeptical 238 00:11:05,470 --> 00:11:03,420 yeah that's the thing it would have to 239 00:11:07,790 --> 00:11:05,480 be this massive worldwide conspiracy 240 00:11:09,829 --> 00:11:07,800 basically they're claiming that we've 241 00:11:11,569 --> 00:11:09,839 had alien craft for many many decades 242 00:11:14,630 --> 00:11:11,579 and they were being gradually releasing 243 00:11:16,310 --> 00:11:14,640 the technology throughout the world but 244 00:11:17,690 --> 00:11:16,320 only the US has it and they're somehow 245 00:11:20,509 --> 00:11:17,700 managed to get everybody else to go 246 00:11:22,250 --> 00:11:20,519 along with this and that somehow we've 247 00:11:24,769 --> 00:11:22,260 managed to keep this going for around 70 248 00:11:26,750 --> 00:11:24,779 years or so but we don't really have any 249 00:11:29,449 --> 00:11:26,760 evidence of this now everything that 250 00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:29,459 grush said uh to the media was actually 251 00:11:33,590 --> 00:11:31,200 cleared by the Department of Defense 252 00:11:35,569 --> 00:11:33,600 that means that he didn't actually 253 00:11:37,850 --> 00:11:35,579 reveal any secrets 254 00:11:39,710 --> 00:11:37,860 now referring once again to the page at 255 00:11:42,769 --> 00:11:39,720 bad UFOs 256 00:11:44,690 --> 00:11:42,779 it concludes by saying UFO newbies 257 00:11:47,090 --> 00:11:44,700 apparently have no idea that this 258 00:11:49,910 --> 00:11:47,100 disclosure tease has been going on for 259 00:11:53,030 --> 00:11:49,920 more than 70 years and always comes up 260 00:11:55,430 --> 00:11:53,040 empty every few years at least some new 261 00:11:57,949 --> 00:11:55,440 set of rumors begin to swirl usually 262 00:12:00,170 --> 00:11:57,959 based on some dramatic claim that 263 00:12:03,370 --> 00:12:00,180 government secrecy about UFOs will soon 264 00:12:06,650 --> 00:12:03,380 be ending but of course it never does 265 00:12:10,370 --> 00:12:06,660 you can't stop something that never 266 00:12:12,650 --> 00:12:10,380 started and finally I will end with the 267 00:12:16,430 --> 00:12:12,660 ending couple of paragraphs from my own 268 00:12:18,530 --> 00:12:16,440 report entitled any day now the promise 269 00:12:20,810 --> 00:12:18,540 that binds the UFO believer to the 270 00:12:23,030 --> 00:12:20,820 creationist to the homeopath to the 271 00:12:26,329 --> 00:12:23,040 anti-vax conspiracy theorist and so on 272 00:12:28,910 --> 00:12:26,339 there's so much more than mere hope or 273 00:12:31,310 --> 00:12:28,920 in some cases fear it is a firm 274 00:12:33,710 --> 00:12:31,320 expectation based on what they know in 275 00:12:37,370 --> 00:12:33,720 their hearts to be true it is akin to 276 00:12:39,290 --> 00:12:37,380 someone unable to cut their losses and 277 00:12:41,569 --> 00:12:39,300 walk away from the poker table but 278 00:12:45,590 --> 00:12:41,579 instead investing more good money after 279 00:12:47,930 --> 00:12:45,600 bad as any day now the cards will favor 280 00:12:50,569 --> 00:12:47,940 them we can sympathize with these people 281 00:12:53,210 --> 00:12:50,579 as they are like the rest of us only 282 00:12:55,430 --> 00:12:53,220 human where our compassion and 283 00:12:58,730 --> 00:12:55,440 understanding gives out is when we 284 00:13:02,509 --> 00:12:58,740 discover those who know full well but 285 00:13:05,210 --> 00:13:02,519 the end times are not coming or that 286 00:13:09,290 --> 00:13:05,220 magic of sugar water will not heal or 287 00:13:12,290 --> 00:13:09,300 that UFOs are a relic of another era fit 288 00:13:15,710 --> 00:13:12,300 only for tv specials and yet more books 289 00:13:19,069 --> 00:13:15,720 but are ready and willing to use the any 290 00:13:22,129 --> 00:13:19,079 day now promise to achieve their ends it 291 00:13:25,009 --> 00:13:22,139 may be monetary or sadly in many cases 292 00:13:27,290 --> 00:13:25,019 power over others they willfully exploit 293 00:13:29,930 --> 00:13:27,300 this facet of human nature for their own 294 00:13:32,210 --> 00:13:29,940 advancement or gratification I imagine 295 00:13:34,550 --> 00:13:32,220 they also fall prey to another facet of 296 00:13:36,550 --> 00:13:34,560 human nature that is the ability to 297 00:13:39,650 --> 00:13:36,560 justify their behavior to themselves 298 00:13:41,810 --> 00:13:39,660 thus easing their conscience any day 299 00:13:44,090 --> 00:13:41,820 know I hope more and more people will 300 00:13:46,730 --> 00:13:44,100 become more skeptical and adopt critical 301 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:46,740 thinking as a guide in their lives you 302 00:13:50,650 --> 00:13:54,050 [Music] 303 00:13:58,970 --> 00:13:56,030 of course I will link to the bad UFOs 304 00:14:02,449 --> 00:13:58,980 report in this week's show notes as well 305 00:14:14,540 --> 00:14:02,459 as the interview on news Nation with 306 00:14:14,550 --> 00:14:19,150 [Music] 307 00:14:23,449 --> 00:14:22,129 I'm Mick West in my podcast Tales From 308 00:14:24,769 --> 00:14:23,459 The Rabbit Hole I've extended 309 00:14:27,170 --> 00:14:24,779 conversations with people who've been 310 00:14:28,730 --> 00:14:27,180 involved in conspiracy culture I do this 311 00:14:29,990 --> 00:14:28,740 for a couple of reasons firstly because 312 00:14:31,670 --> 00:14:30,000 it's really interesting these people 313 00:14:33,470 --> 00:14:31,680 have great stories about how they fell 314 00:14:35,210 --> 00:14:33,480 down the conspiracy theory Rabbit Hole 315 00:14:37,069 --> 00:14:35,220 what they did down there and what it was 316 00:14:38,210 --> 00:14:37,079 that helped them out sometimes I also 317 00:14:39,530 --> 00:14:38,220 talk to people who investigate 318 00:14:41,090 --> 00:14:39,540 conspiracy theories and they have 319 00:14:43,069 --> 00:14:41,100 equally fascinating stories from the 320 00:14:44,689 --> 00:14:43,079 other side secondly I want to understand 321 00:14:46,069 --> 00:14:44,699 how best to prevent the spread of 322 00:14:48,050 --> 00:14:46,079 conspiracy theories and misinformation 323 00:14:50,629 --> 00:14:48,060 which is an increasing problem in a time 324 00:14:52,310 --> 00:14:50,639 when alternative media is exploding the 325 00:14:54,410 --> 00:14:52,320 best way to do this is to communicate 326 00:14:56,329 --> 00:14:54,420 effectively with the people involved and 327 00:14:59,449 --> 00:14:56,339 the best way to do that is with a nice 328 00:15:02,580 --> 00:14:59,459 long chat check it out Tales From The 329 00:15:08,710 --> 00:15:02,590 Rabbit Hole TFG rh.com 330 00:15:12,290 --> 00:15:08,720 [Music] 331 00:15:12,300 --> 00:15:15,710 foreign 332 00:15:26,780 --> 00:15:24,009 [Music] 333 00:15:32,269 --> 00:15:26,790 I think we need to think 334 00:15:38,889 --> 00:15:32,279 [Music] 335 00:15:45,410 --> 00:15:42,230 hello everyone on the skeptic Zone I 336 00:15:47,210 --> 00:15:45,420 have a guest today this is Daniel Reed 337 00:15:49,250 --> 00:15:47,220 and we're going to be talking about a 338 00:15:52,670 --> 00:15:49,260 little project he started over there in 339 00:15:56,090 --> 00:15:52,680 West Virginia which is starting his own 340 00:15:59,530 --> 00:15:56,100 Skeptics group in an area that has never 341 00:16:03,410 --> 00:15:59,540 had a Skeptics group before it is 342 00:16:06,350 --> 00:16:03,420 interesting to watch hi Daniel 343 00:16:09,769 --> 00:16:06,360 hey Susan how are you I'm doing fabulous 344 00:16:13,129 --> 00:16:09,779 so um the skeptic Zone listeners are 345 00:16:14,750 --> 00:16:13,139 worldwide not just Australia and I know 346 00:16:17,930 --> 00:16:14,760 that they would be really interested in 347 00:16:20,629 --> 00:16:17,940 hearing what's going on with starting a 348 00:16:23,329 --> 00:16:20,639 brand new group can you give us an some 349 00:16:25,189 --> 00:16:23,339 rundown of what made you start this and 350 00:16:27,290 --> 00:16:25,199 what's it like 351 00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:27,300 all right now you're gonna you're going 352 00:16:32,509 --> 00:16:29,279 to think that I'm telling a tall tale 353 00:16:35,689 --> 00:16:32,519 here but I'm not this is the honest to 354 00:16:38,629 --> 00:16:35,699 God's truth you were on Kenny biddle's 355 00:16:41,389 --> 00:16:38,639 show one evening and I had asked a 356 00:16:44,090 --> 00:16:41,399 question in the chat group and something 357 00:16:46,610 --> 00:16:44,100 about you know what what does it what 358 00:16:50,030 --> 00:16:46,620 what does it take or what do you what do 359 00:16:52,129 --> 00:16:50,040 people need to do your response in the 360 00:16:55,310 --> 00:16:52,139 chat group was 361 00:16:58,249 --> 00:16:55,320 you've got to be there you show up and 362 00:17:00,530 --> 00:16:58,259 so it was that 363 00:17:02,870 --> 00:17:00,540 that I was like okay so what what what 364 00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:02,880 can I do that's it you know besides 365 00:17:07,789 --> 00:17:05,280 hanging out in the chat room I I've 366 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:07,799 written an article for the skeptical 367 00:17:13,250 --> 00:17:11,040 Inquirer and uh I was on the Mothman you 368 00:17:15,110 --> 00:17:13,260 know I I wanted to do more you know I 369 00:17:17,929 --> 00:17:15,120 started to listen to Listen to Kenny's 370 00:17:21,049 --> 00:17:17,939 show and hang out in the chat room and 371 00:17:22,370 --> 00:17:21,059 after the show was over I had asked 372 00:17:24,650 --> 00:17:22,380 Kenny about 373 00:17:28,069 --> 00:17:24,660 you know his creepy dolls that he that 374 00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:28,079 he makes uh as as one of his Hobbies he 375 00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:31,200 called me so he called and uh we spent a 376 00:17:36,409 --> 00:17:33,840 little bit of time talking I said what 377 00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:36,419 else can I do and he said you might want 378 00:17:40,490 --> 00:17:38,880 to think about starting a group in West 379 00:17:42,230 --> 00:17:40,500 Virginia and so 380 00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:42,240 um he checked and he said no there's 381 00:17:46,430 --> 00:17:45,120 there's really nothing in that area so 382 00:17:49,970 --> 00:17:46,440 that might be something that you could 383 00:17:53,210 --> 00:17:49,980 do and so what five months later or so 384 00:17:56,390 --> 00:17:53,220 here I am and uh started the group on 385 00:17:57,470 --> 00:17:56,400 Facebook trying to cultivate people's 386 00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:57,480 interests 387 00:18:01,870 --> 00:18:00,000 that is really a great story I'm so glad 388 00:18:04,430 --> 00:18:01,880 I'm recording 389 00:18:06,590 --> 00:18:04,440 I have evidence you guys somebody's 390 00:18:08,270 --> 00:18:06,600 listening to what I say that's wonderful 391 00:18:11,870 --> 00:18:08,280 we should mention who Kenny Biddle is 392 00:18:14,210 --> 00:18:11,880 he's the CFI Chief investigator for the 393 00:18:17,450 --> 00:18:14,220 center for inquiry and he has a Friday 394 00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:17,460 night like a skeptical help bar yeah 395 00:18:22,850 --> 00:18:19,679 skeptical help bar and it's a lot of fun 396 00:18:25,310 --> 00:18:22,860 he has a lot of guests that are oh I 397 00:18:27,650 --> 00:18:25,320 don't know ghosty kind of people from 398 00:18:29,450 --> 00:18:27,660 the Ghost World and just the Paranormal 399 00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:29,460 world it's a lot of fun to hang out and 400 00:18:34,789 --> 00:18:32,880 you you hang out and it's informal and 401 00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:34,799 people are nice to each other and he 402 00:18:40,730 --> 00:18:36,960 does have a nice crossover of people who 403 00:18:43,490 --> 00:18:40,740 were in the Paranormal world and some 404 00:18:45,710 --> 00:18:43,500 are still in the Paranormal world so 405 00:18:48,409 --> 00:18:45,720 it's an interesting conversation to have 406 00:18:50,690 --> 00:18:48,419 on there but yeah so tell me 407 00:18:53,930 --> 00:18:50,700 West Virginia I have not been there 408 00:18:56,750 --> 00:18:53,940 dying to go you have a channel on 409 00:18:59,810 --> 00:18:56,760 YouTube called Daniel Reed skeptic at 410 00:19:02,510 --> 00:18:59,820 large and you'll be able to find that 411 00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:02,520 link in the notes of this episode you're 412 00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:04,799 listening to right now you show a lot of 413 00:19:09,230 --> 00:19:06,720 pictures of what West Virginia looks 414 00:19:11,090 --> 00:19:09,240 like you're out in the in the woods and 415 00:19:12,409 --> 00:19:11,100 filming and tell me a little bit about 416 00:19:13,610 --> 00:19:12,419 that because it looks absolutely 417 00:19:15,770 --> 00:19:13,620 beautiful 418 00:19:18,110 --> 00:19:15,780 oh West Virginia is it's a it's a 419 00:19:20,450 --> 00:19:18,120 beautiful state it's a bit of a bad rap 420 00:19:23,570 --> 00:19:20,460 in terms of the way that we're 421 00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:23,580 publicized sometimes in in movies and on 422 00:19:30,169 --> 00:19:26,400 TV uh you know there's all the West 423 00:19:33,049 --> 00:19:30,179 Virginia jokes about uh you know we only 424 00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:33,059 have one working tooth in our in our 425 00:19:37,070 --> 00:19:35,760 history I have all of mine 426 00:19:40,010 --> 00:19:37,080 um 427 00:19:42,590 --> 00:19:40,020 I'm serious I am serious these people 428 00:19:45,770 --> 00:19:42,600 think that that we run around Barefoot 429 00:19:47,810 --> 00:19:45,780 and that it's a state full of uneducated 430 00:19:50,450 --> 00:19:47,820 people and it's not there is an old 431 00:19:52,730 --> 00:19:50,460 world deals sometimes to some of the 432 00:19:55,970 --> 00:19:52,740 some families in some areas and so on 433 00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:55,980 and so forth but it's it's such it's 434 00:20:00,830 --> 00:19:58,080 just such a great place and it is very 435 00:20:03,890 --> 00:20:00,840 remote that is that is one thing that a 436 00:20:06,289 --> 00:20:03,900 lot of people when they come here they 437 00:20:08,810 --> 00:20:06,299 don't really realize how remote we 438 00:20:10,610 --> 00:20:08,820 really are there's Hills and Valleys 439 00:20:13,610 --> 00:20:10,620 that separate little towns and Villages 440 00:20:15,770 --> 00:20:13,620 and uh and cities we have rather some 441 00:20:17,930 --> 00:20:15,780 you know some like the largest city in 442 00:20:20,450 --> 00:20:17,940 the state of Charleston there's a lot of 443 00:20:22,370 --> 00:20:20,460 little remote Villages and remote towns 444 00:20:23,390 --> 00:20:22,380 and townships and so on and so forth 445 00:20:25,310 --> 00:20:23,400 around 446 00:20:27,529 --> 00:20:25,320 and it's really just a neat place to 447 00:20:28,669 --> 00:20:27,539 live so you try to start a Skeptics 448 00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:28,679 group and 449 00:20:33,770 --> 00:20:31,200 it's it's hard at the beginning and it 450 00:20:37,010 --> 00:20:33,780 could be hard for a year or more to try 451 00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:37,020 to start from Whole cloth and it's 452 00:20:41,390 --> 00:20:39,120 that's why I really wanted to talk to 453 00:20:42,890 --> 00:20:41,400 you because it's you know you have to 454 00:20:44,990 --> 00:20:42,900 have a lot of support people in the 455 00:20:47,090 --> 00:20:45,000 community we were with you in heart but 456 00:20:49,070 --> 00:20:47,100 there's not much we can do I mean I 457 00:20:51,890 --> 00:20:49,080 can't get to West Virginia that's on the 458 00:20:53,570 --> 00:20:51,900 other side of the world to me almost and 459 00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:53,580 um I sure would like to come out there 460 00:20:57,230 --> 00:20:54,960 and I would love to come out and give 461 00:20:59,330 --> 00:20:57,240 you guys some support and and do a talk 462 00:21:01,310 --> 00:20:59,340 and I'd love to go to that Mothman 463 00:21:05,330 --> 00:21:01,320 Festival that you keep posting about 464 00:21:08,690 --> 00:21:05,340 that sounds so much fun it is fun the 465 00:21:12,830 --> 00:21:08,700 Mothman Festival is is great it's um all 466 00:21:14,930 --> 00:21:12,840 manner of strange interesting and uh fun 467 00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,940 people and what month is that usually 468 00:21:20,029 --> 00:21:16,400 held in 469 00:21:22,190 --> 00:21:20,039 that is in I think it's September 16th 470 00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:22,200 if I remember personally correctly and 471 00:21:25,610 --> 00:21:24,240 that's kind of yearly around around 472 00:21:28,370 --> 00:21:25,620 September 473 00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:28,380 when the weather's nice yeah now it 474 00:21:33,470 --> 00:21:30,299 hasn't they haven't had it for the past 475 00:21:35,930 --> 00:21:33,480 three years because of coven yeah I 476 00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,940 heard about that yeah some things were a 477 00:21:39,890 --> 00:21:37,440 problem we were locked down for a while 478 00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:39,900 yeah that that nasty little bug that 479 00:21:46,190 --> 00:21:43,440 yeah no no psychic predicted it but no 480 00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:46,200 no but I'm sure that they probably said 481 00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,720 they did in retrospect yeah oh yeah but 482 00:21:52,730 --> 00:21:50,400 yeah that it sounds like fun and you 483 00:21:55,789 --> 00:21:52,740 know what I'd love to see is and now 484 00:21:57,710 --> 00:21:55,799 this isn't just me just speaking as if I 485 00:21:59,690 --> 00:21:57,720 know what I'm talking about but I would 486 00:22:02,750 --> 00:21:59,700 love to see 487 00:22:05,870 --> 00:22:02,760 um some sort of eventually the West 488 00:22:09,049 --> 00:22:05,880 Virginia skeptic Society having some 489 00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:09,059 sort of do some kind of thing around 490 00:22:13,850 --> 00:22:11,940 that September Mothman Festival that 491 00:22:15,710 --> 00:22:13,860 would be unique to your area that would 492 00:22:18,130 --> 00:22:15,720 be really fun for people to go and 493 00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:18,140 they'd gather and I don't know you could 494 00:22:25,250 --> 00:22:21,360 eventually come up with talks and a 495 00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:25,260 and a skepticamp and who knows what I'd 496 00:22:31,549 --> 00:22:27,840 love to see you guys grow and be able to 497 00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:31,559 be that group that we could go to in 498 00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:33,120 September I'm sure it would be 499 00:22:41,149 --> 00:22:36,780 incredibly beautiful and fun and 500 00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:41,159 weather's nice yeah I I I'm okay I'm 501 00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:43,380 looking forward to maybe not 2023 but 502 00:22:48,049 --> 00:22:45,240 let's get this group growing enough that 503 00:22:50,090 --> 00:22:48,059 we can get there in 2024 and is there 504 00:22:51,770 --> 00:22:50,100 places people can learn more about the 505 00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:51,780 the group 506 00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:54,480 yeah if you go to our Facebook page 507 00:23:00,169 --> 00:22:56,760 that's that's where a lot of the the 508 00:23:04,210 --> 00:23:00,179 discussion are uh at present uh we do 509 00:23:09,289 --> 00:23:06,230 www.westvirginiasepticsociety.com Tim 510 00:23:12,110 --> 00:23:09,299 Vickers who is a friend of Kenny biddles 511 00:23:14,810 --> 00:23:12,120 was gracious and set up the webpage and 512 00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:14,820 uh has commissioned the artwork that we 513 00:23:20,510 --> 00:23:18,480 have on it as our header it has just a 514 00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:20,520 smattering of of things recommended 515 00:23:24,529 --> 00:23:22,799 readings those sorts of things so and 516 00:23:26,930 --> 00:23:24,539 there's our email address is on there 517 00:23:29,390 --> 00:23:26,940 yeah there's there's anyone that wants 518 00:23:32,810 --> 00:23:29,400 to to reach out I would be happy happy 519 00:23:36,049 --> 00:23:32,820 to communicate to engage in 520 00:23:39,169 --> 00:23:36,059 interlocution with you 521 00:23:41,690 --> 00:23:39,179 well I am a subscriber and I'm also a 522 00:23:45,470 --> 00:23:41,700 subscriber of your YouTube channel 523 00:23:48,649 --> 00:23:45,480 Daniel Reed skeptic at large check the 524 00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:48,659 show notes everybody you know let's get 525 00:23:53,570 --> 00:23:50,940 this growing I'm I'm excited you're 526 00:23:55,310 --> 00:23:53,580 excited people are excited let's try to 527 00:23:56,990 --> 00:23:55,320 find more people in the area hopefully 528 00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:57,000 who are listening right now that there 529 00:24:01,010 --> 00:23:58,799 is a new group starting up there in West 530 00:24:03,169 --> 00:24:01,020 Virginia let's see what happens I give 531 00:24:05,630 --> 00:24:03,179 it a year and let's see I look forward 532 00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:05,640 to it I really do it's challenging 533 00:24:10,610 --> 00:24:08,159 so people can reach out to you on 534 00:24:12,890 --> 00:24:10,620 Facebook and also on Meetup and your 535 00:24:15,289 --> 00:24:12,900 website and by email so there's lots of 536 00:24:16,669 --> 00:24:15,299 ways of contacting you anybody else out 537 00:24:19,130 --> 00:24:16,679 there who's thinking that they might 538 00:24:21,770 --> 00:24:19,140 want to find a local group so that they 539 00:24:24,830 --> 00:24:21,780 can be involved worldwide or if you're 540 00:24:27,549 --> 00:24:24,840 thinking of starting a local group you 541 00:24:30,409 --> 00:24:27,559 could reach out to Center for 542 00:24:35,630 --> 00:24:30,419 inquiry.org they have a lot of resources 543 00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:35,640 for for groups how to get started what 544 00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:37,860 problems you might encounter how to fix 545 00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:40,440 them who to reach out to for help plus I 546 00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:41,760 think it's really nice that if other 547 00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:43,860 groups I think it's a really good idea 548 00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:48,000 if the new people in the block also are 549 00:24:51,289 --> 00:24:49,440 reaching out to each other to give 550 00:24:54,529 --> 00:24:51,299 support so I think it's it's wonderful 551 00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,539 it's fun it's it's a nice thing to see 552 00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,400 people coming back from the pandemic and 553 00:25:01,549 --> 00:24:59,039 starting to get active again and I'm I'm 554 00:25:02,930 --> 00:25:01,559 looking forward to it so Daniel thank 555 00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:02,940 you for doing this interview with us 556 00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:05,220 today oh absolutely I've enjoyed it I 557 00:25:16,190 --> 00:25:13,669 debating on who is the best Sherlock 558 00:25:18,770 --> 00:25:16,200 Holmes oh well we already know everybody 559 00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:18,780 you can put that in the comments we know 560 00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:20,640 who the best really comes is Jeremy 561 00:25:26,030 --> 00:25:23,120 Brett all right 562 00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:26,040 thanks Daniel thank you 563 00:26:20,390 --> 00:25:28,620 [Music] 564 00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:22,570 yeah 565 00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:25,860 now it's time once again to look into 566 00:26:30,529 --> 00:26:28,159 those archives that Trove 567 00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,539 atrove.nla.gov dot a u the online 568 00:26:34,610 --> 00:26:32,159 resource from the Australian government 569 00:26:36,289 --> 00:26:34,620 thank you Australian government and the 570 00:26:38,510 --> 00:26:36,299 National Library of Australia and thank 571 00:26:41,870 --> 00:26:38,520 you National Library of Australia 572 00:26:44,029 --> 00:26:41,880 your digital resource for archived 573 00:26:46,610 --> 00:26:44,039 newspapers magazines and many other 574 00:26:50,510 --> 00:26:46,620 things and since we've been looking at 575 00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:50,520 uaps UFOs flying sources whatever you 576 00:26:58,370 --> 00:26:52,980 like to call them I thought would once 577 00:27:04,250 --> 00:26:58,380 again at this topic with the added word 578 00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:04,260 in the search of NASA UFOs and NASA 579 00:27:10,750 --> 00:27:06,600 let's see what we can find in the 580 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,590 [Music] 581 00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:18,710 well let's go all the way back to 1966 582 00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:21,720 in the camera times dated the 12th of 583 00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:25,380 December UFO was Royal Australian Air 584 00:27:32,450 --> 00:27:29,600 Force or rwaf aircraft 585 00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:32,460 canberra's latest unidentified flying 586 00:27:38,330 --> 00:27:34,500 object which excited hundreds of people 587 00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:38,340 last night turned out to be a RAF 588 00:27:43,070 --> 00:27:40,440 aircraft taking part in tracking 589 00:27:44,029 --> 00:27:43,080 operations at Tim bimbilla tracking 590 00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:44,039 station 591 00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:47,520 early last night the aircraft began 592 00:27:54,049 --> 00:27:50,640 swinging in a wide Arc across the South 593 00:27:57,649 --> 00:27:54,059 Western Canberra Sky its twin 594 00:28:02,930 --> 00:27:57,659 identification lights merging into one 595 00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,940 red tinted glow wired residents rang RAF 596 00:28:07,930 --> 00:28:05,039 Fairburn and the Canberra times 597 00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:07,940 reporting the phenomenon and asking for 598 00:28:14,450 --> 00:28:11,100 explanations while the mysterious light 599 00:28:18,890 --> 00:28:14,460 continued on its steady path hours later 600 00:28:21,769 --> 00:28:18,900 a weary rwaf base switch girl was still 601 00:28:24,409 --> 00:28:21,779 explaining engineers at Tim Bim Miller 602 00:28:27,409 --> 00:28:24,419 were testing their tracking equipment by 603 00:28:30,649 --> 00:28:27,419 fixing on a radio beam from an aircraft 604 00:28:33,409 --> 00:28:30,659 on the same frequency as that to be used 605 00:28:36,649 --> 00:28:33,419 soon by an American space satellite 606 00:28:39,169 --> 00:28:36,659 which tidbin biller will track 607 00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,179 that must have been an interesting site 608 00:28:44,210 --> 00:28:41,600 all the way back then in 609 00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:44,220 1966. now what's curious about that is 610 00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,260 the word NASA does not appear in the 611 00:28:51,409 --> 00:28:48,480 story yet it came up in the search 612 00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,419 that's interesting probably because of 613 00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,760 the reference to an American space 614 00:28:57,289 --> 00:28:54,960 satellite 615 00:28:59,630 --> 00:28:57,299 and our next Board of call is also from 616 00:29:02,649 --> 00:28:59,640 the camera times dated the 20th of 617 00:29:07,850 --> 00:29:02,659 October 1973. 618 00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:07,860 NASA man backs biblical UFO Huntsville 619 00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:10,860 Alabama Friday Australian Associated 620 00:29:16,909 --> 00:29:14,220 Press an engineer who helped develop Sky 621 00:29:18,289 --> 00:29:16,919 lab the space shuttle and Saturn V 622 00:29:21,289 --> 00:29:18,299 Rockets 623 00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:21,299 say he believed beings from outer space 624 00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:25,679 landed on Earth 2 600 years ago using 625 00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:28,020 equipment more advanced than anything 626 00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:31,440 man can have within the next 20 years 627 00:29:37,730 --> 00:29:34,380 during 18 months of working in his spare 628 00:29:40,850 --> 00:29:37,740 time Mr Joseph balmridge said he had 629 00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:40,860 applied space technology to the Old 630 00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:43,919 Testament text of Ezekiel and came up 631 00:29:48,169 --> 00:29:46,020 with engineering drawings of what a 632 00:29:51,950 --> 00:29:48,179 craft described by the Hebrew Prophet 633 00:29:54,110 --> 00:29:51,960 looked like and how it moved about in 634 00:29:57,049 --> 00:29:54,120 chapter one ezigo speaks at length about 635 00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,059 the structure he said it just so happens 636 00:30:03,590 --> 00:29:59,760 that I have myself designed such things 637 00:30:05,630 --> 00:30:03,600 here using mathematical formulas he has 638 00:30:07,810 --> 00:30:05,640 been able to determine that the craft 639 00:30:11,389 --> 00:30:07,820 was similar to a child's spinning top 640 00:30:14,690 --> 00:30:11,399 concave on the bottom with a crew 641 00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:14,700 compartment above he believes it was 642 00:30:19,789 --> 00:30:17,340 used as a shuttle vehicle between Earth 643 00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:19,799 and an orbit Mothership 644 00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:24,720 let me see that was in 1973 645 00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:28,020 and accompanying the article is his 646 00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:31,440 sketch or I presume it's his sketch of 647 00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:35,100 the vehicle the spacecraft a sketch of a 648 00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:37,380 possible spacecraft described in the Old 649 00:30:41,090 --> 00:30:38,640 Testament 650 00:30:43,789 --> 00:30:41,100 and studied by a NASA engineer 651 00:30:48,409 --> 00:30:43,799 Australian Associated Press Australian 652 00:30:51,250 --> 00:30:48,419 press cable picture way back in 1973 653 00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:51,260 well let's skip forward now to the year 654 00:30:56,750 --> 00:30:54,480 1983 10-year Gap 655 00:31:00,049 --> 00:30:56,760 a 10-year Gap and the Canberra times 656 00:31:01,389 --> 00:31:00,059 once again and this is the 16th of 657 00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:01,399 January 658 00:31:07,549 --> 00:31:05,340 victorians report a UFO Melbourne an 659 00:31:09,889 --> 00:31:07,559 unidentified flying object was reported 660 00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:09,899 crossing the sky above Victoria shortly 661 00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:12,480 after 6 pm on Friday according to a 662 00:31:17,090 --> 00:31:13,980 federal department of transport 663 00:31:19,370 --> 00:31:17,100 spokesman sightings came from South 664 00:31:21,769 --> 00:31:19,380 Eastern Melbourne suburbs moorabbin 665 00:31:24,649 --> 00:31:21,779 airport south east of Melbourne and 666 00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:24,659 shepparton 180 kilometers to the north 667 00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:27,600 the department spokesman said the object 668 00:31:33,049 --> 00:31:30,480 was cited in the northeastern sky 669 00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:33,059 an air traffic controller at moorabbin 670 00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:35,700 airport reported the object as being 671 00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:39,240 quote bright silver end quote at first 672 00:31:45,769 --> 00:31:43,200 but changing color to green and red as 673 00:31:47,389 --> 00:31:45,779 it headed further north a spokesman for 674 00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:47,399 the federal government committee 675 00:31:54,049 --> 00:31:50,399 monitoring space objects said there was 676 00:31:57,529 --> 00:31:54,059 quote little chance and quote the object 677 00:32:00,769 --> 00:31:57,539 was the Russian satellite Cosmos which 678 00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:00,779 passes over Australia four times a day 679 00:32:05,710 --> 00:32:03,600 I wonder if it still does the satellite 680 00:32:10,010 --> 00:32:05,720 was scheduled to pass over South 681 00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,020 Australia and Queensland at 6 30 PM but 682 00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:12,240 should not have been visible from 683 00:32:15,529 --> 00:32:13,620 Victoria 684 00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:15,539 the Australian government is confident 685 00:32:20,330 --> 00:32:18,240 that if there were any change in the 686 00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,340 cosmos orbit the United States would 687 00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:22,080 notify Australia 688 00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:23,340 he said 689 00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:25,980 Cole's reporting sightings began soon 690 00:32:33,169 --> 00:32:28,919 after 6 p.m Melbourne Airport flight 691 00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:33,179 service officer Mr Joe White said I was 692 00:32:39,409 --> 00:32:36,240 sitting at my flight service console and 693 00:32:42,649 --> 00:32:39,419 I just saw it in the background out of 694 00:32:45,649 --> 00:32:42,659 the window it was heading downwards at a 695 00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:45,659 steep angle about 80 degrees but 696 00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,059 disappeared from site before it reached 697 00:32:54,649 --> 00:32:51,120 the ground it was bright green and had a 698 00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,659 tale of light behind it which was also a 699 00:32:59,450 --> 00:32:56,640 green color the senior operations 700 00:33:02,389 --> 00:32:59,460 controller at tullamarine airport Mr 701 00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:02,399 Brian Whiteley said the object did not 702 00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:05,640 show up on radar screens and a check 703 00:33:12,350 --> 00:33:08,340 confirmed that no aircraft were missing 704 00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:12,360 we contacted the RAF and have reported 705 00:33:18,769 --> 00:33:16,080 it as an unidentified flying object he 706 00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:18,779 said an officer at tidbinville a deep 707 00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:20,820 space communications center in Canberra 708 00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:24,779 said that no NASA station around the 709 00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:27,480 world had reported any satellite coming 710 00:33:34,490 --> 00:33:30,360 down the president of the Victorian UFO 711 00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:34,500 research Society Mrs Judith Maggie said 712 00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:37,740 reports of sightings died down yesterday 713 00:33:42,529 --> 00:33:40,980 and she felt it had been the cosmos 714 00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,539 satellite 715 00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:44,399 now that would have been very 716 00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,860 interesting to see and it's one of the 717 00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:48,720 many times I wish I could pop back in a 718 00:33:55,549 --> 00:33:51,000 time machine and set myself up in a nice 719 00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,559 comfortable chair and view these strange 720 00:34:00,110 --> 00:33:57,840 things as they happened 721 00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:00,120 and finally we find ourselves in the 722 00:34:06,830 --> 00:34:03,360 year 1987 once again in the Canberra 723 00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:06,840 times on the 8th of March 724 00:34:13,730 --> 00:34:10,619 UFOs and extraterrestrial research a 725 00:34:17,089 --> 00:34:13,740 paradox for scientists seeking signals 726 00:34:20,510 --> 00:34:17,099 of life in space from Christopher Hansen 727 00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:20,520 in Washington reports of a huge Flying 728 00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:23,280 Saucer over Alaska not long ago have 729 00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:26,700 pointed up a space age Paradox within 730 00:34:31,849 --> 00:34:29,280 the scientific Community many scientists 731 00:34:35,050 --> 00:34:31,859 are very skeptical about supposed 732 00:34:38,450 --> 00:34:35,060 sightings of unidentified flying objects 733 00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:38,460 UFOs but many of the same scholars 734 00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,040 believe the Galaxy is teeming with 735 00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:43,440 intelligent life and support projects 736 00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:45,720 for the search for extraterrestrial 737 00:34:49,629 --> 00:34:47,220 intelligence 738 00:34:52,450 --> 00:34:49,639 City scientists with the National 739 00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:52,460 Aeronautics and Space Administration 740 00:34:58,670 --> 00:34:55,679 NASA have embarked on an official 741 00:35:01,490 --> 00:34:58,680 mission to expand vastly the scope of 742 00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:01,500 the search the Alaska incident 743 00:35:07,310 --> 00:35:04,320 I wonder what the Alaska incident was 744 00:35:13,130 --> 00:35:07,320 maybe somebody knows way back then in 745 00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,140 1987 or possibly 86. the Alaska incident 746 00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:15,359 was reported last November aha there you 747 00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:19,440 go by Japan Airlines j-a-l pilot kinji 748 00:35:23,930 --> 00:35:21,900 tarachi and I hope that's pronounced 749 00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:23,940 more or less right who said his plane 750 00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:27,540 was trailed for an hour by a 751 00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:30,960 walnut-shaped craft twice as big as an 752 00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:34,320 aircraft carrier with a broad brim at 753 00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,440 its Center and bright running lights he 754 00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:39,599 said the UFO stayed with him as he 755 00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:43,920 descended 1 200 meters encircled and 756 00:35:49,690 --> 00:35:46,980 that his Planes weather radar picked it 757 00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:49,700 up the Federal Aviation Administration 758 00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:55,200 FAA initially reported that it too had 759 00:36:01,370 --> 00:35:58,500 detected a craft on radar but later said 760 00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:01,380 a malfunction might have created a 761 00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:04,740 duplicate radar image of the cargo plane 762 00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:07,680 itself the Alaska incident was widely 763 00:36:11,290 --> 00:36:10,560 dismissed by space experts as just 764 00:36:14,569 --> 00:36:11,300 another 765 00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:14,579 inconclusive episode thousands of people 766 00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:16,500 including former U.S President Jimmy 767 00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:19,920 Carter have reported seeing UFOs 768 00:36:24,589 --> 00:36:22,440 and as a side note I'll say that in 769 00:36:27,230 --> 00:36:24,599 Brian dunning's forthcoming 770 00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:27,240 a documentary the UFO movie they don't 771 00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,060 want you to see this incident is dealt 772 00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:32,640 with most satisfactorily 773 00:36:38,690 --> 00:36:35,940 that has not shaken the skepticism among 774 00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:38,700 scientists such as the University of 775 00:36:45,890 --> 00:36:42,060 Virginia physicist James treffle who 776 00:36:49,970 --> 00:36:45,900 says there has never been an unambiguous 777 00:36:52,670 --> 00:36:49,980 case in all these sightings even so Dr 778 00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:52,680 trefel told a recent conference at 779 00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:55,680 Washington's Smithsonian Institute the 780 00:37:02,770 --> 00:36:58,260 conventional wisdom among scientists 781 00:37:05,930 --> 00:37:02,780 also held that we are not alone 782 00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:05,940 given the millions of stars in the Milky 783 00:37:11,569 --> 00:37:08,640 Way the probability that many of them 784 00:37:15,410 --> 00:37:11,579 have planets with environments suitable 785 00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:15,420 to life and the billions of years which 786 00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:18,060 civilizations could have evolved these 787 00:37:24,109 --> 00:37:21,180 scientists say it is likely the galaxy 788 00:37:27,050 --> 00:37:24,119 has many Advanced civilizations there 789 00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:27,060 are estimates of how many range from 1 790 00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:30,960 million to fewer than 100 the operation 791 00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:33,839 theory behind seti is that if Advanced 792 00:37:39,770 --> 00:37:37,680 alien civilizations exist they may be 793 00:37:43,069 --> 00:37:39,780 trying to communicate with other worlds 794 00:37:45,410 --> 00:37:43,079 by beaming radio signals into space and 795 00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:45,420 radio telescopes on Earth could pick up 796 00:37:52,849 --> 00:37:48,480 such signals U.S scientists pioneered 797 00:37:58,190 --> 00:37:52,859 zetti starting in 1960 with physicist 798 00:38:00,890 --> 00:37:58,200 Frank Drake's osma project named for a 799 00:38:02,750 --> 00:38:00,900 Wizard of Oz character and using a radio 800 00:38:05,870 --> 00:38:02,760 telescope in West Virginia 801 00:38:08,270 --> 00:38:05,880 now the Soviet Union France West Germany 802 00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:08,280 the Netherlands Japan and Canada are 803 00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:12,480 funding seti radio telescope projects no 804 00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:14,700 alien signals have yet been detected 805 00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:19,740 scientists say but NASA with an annual 806 00:38:25,970 --> 00:38:23,760 seti budget of some U.S 2 million about 807 00:38:28,970 --> 00:38:25,980 3 million Australian dollars is 808 00:38:31,370 --> 00:38:28,980 developing the technology for a vast 809 00:38:34,130 --> 00:38:31,380 expansion in the number of frequencies 810 00:38:36,410 --> 00:38:34,140 that could be scanned for messages a 811 00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:36,420 jump from thousands of frequencies to 812 00:38:43,310 --> 00:38:39,599 many millions NASA plans to scan the 813 00:38:46,329 --> 00:38:43,320 entire sky and conduct closer probes of 814 00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:46,339 800 Stars which are similar to the sun 815 00:38:53,690 --> 00:38:51,119 beginning in the 1990s in one minute 816 00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:53,700 with the new technology we will 817 00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,160 accomplish more than has been carried 818 00:39:02,450 --> 00:38:59,280 out in the past 25 years with all 819 00:39:05,569 --> 00:39:02,460 previous programs nurses scientist Peter 820 00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:05,579 Backus said he said that NASA's search 821 00:39:12,109 --> 00:39:09,599 would be tens of billions of times more 822 00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:12,119 thorough than today's most advanced seti 823 00:39:16,970 --> 00:39:14,820 probes earthlings have sent out 824 00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:16,980 relatively few messages to possible 825 00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:20,640 aliens although scientists say Advanced 826 00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:22,500 civilizations could tell Earth was 827 00:39:28,990 --> 00:39:25,920 inhabited from military radar and 828 00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:29,000 television Rays leaking into space 829 00:39:35,089 --> 00:39:32,400 scientists beamed an electronic greeting 830 00:39:38,349 --> 00:39:35,099 into space using a radio telescope in 831 00:39:41,870 --> 00:39:38,359 Puerto Rico in 1974. 832 00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:41,880 NASA's unmanned Pioneer 10 spacecraft 833 00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:45,720 carried a plaque with drawings of a nude 834 00:39:51,290 --> 00:39:48,720 man and woman and a space map showing 835 00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:51,300 the Earth's location and Voyager 1 836 00:39:57,290 --> 00:39:54,720 carried a disc with rock music including 837 00:39:59,690 --> 00:39:57,300 a Chuck Berry song a message of 838 00:40:03,950 --> 00:39:59,700 friendship from the then U.N Secretary 839 00:40:07,609 --> 00:40:03,960 General Kurt valdheim and samples of 60 840 00:40:10,010 --> 00:40:07,619 languages some scientists say reception 841 00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:10,020 of an alien message would be the most 842 00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:12,420 important event in human history and 843 00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:15,599 could result in mankind learning vast 844 00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:19,320 amounts from a more advanced culture but 845 00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:22,140 University of Virginia physicist Robert 846 00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:25,440 Rood sounded a note of warning in his 847 00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:27,839 book are we alone 848 00:40:34,010 --> 00:40:31,320 quote the civilization that blurts out 849 00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:34,020 its existence on Interstellar beacons at 850 00:40:39,950 --> 00:40:37,200 the first opportunity may be like some 851 00:40:43,069 --> 00:40:39,960 early hominid descending from the trees 852 00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,079 and calling here kitty to the 853 00:40:48,650 --> 00:40:44,880 saber-toothed tiger 854 00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:48,660 end quote Dr rude wrote some scientists 855 00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:52,260 including Dr trefel are skeptical about 856 00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:54,420 the possibility of intelligent alien 857 00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:57,839 civilizations where are they Dr Trevor 858 00:41:02,829 --> 00:41:00,720 asks if a single civilization could 859 00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:02,839 colonize the Galaxy in millions of years 860 00:41:08,930 --> 00:41:06,480 and if billions of years have elapsed 861 00:41:11,870 --> 00:41:08,940 since the first such civilization was 862 00:41:13,569 --> 00:41:11,880 supposed to arise how can we explain the 863 00:41:16,670 --> 00:41:13,579 the lack of evidence for 864 00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:16,680 extraterrestrials on Earth One theory is 865 00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:18,720 that alien civilizations chose to put 866 00:41:25,550 --> 00:41:22,160 our solar system off limits as kind of a 867 00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:25,560 galactic zoo or nature reserve the 868 00:41:31,550 --> 00:41:28,380 doctor travel discounts this what is the 869 00:41:34,690 --> 00:41:31,560 probability that of all the billions of 870 00:41:37,550 --> 00:41:34,700 individuals in each of the millions of 871 00:41:40,910 --> 00:41:37,560 Galactic races there is not a single 872 00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:40,920 poacher some say it is possible that an 873 00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:44,760 alien civilization is only now expanding 874 00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:47,520 into the Galaxy and had not reached 875 00:41:52,609 --> 00:41:50,040 Earth but Dr trefel says that would be 876 00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:52,619 remarkable given that the history of man 877 00:41:58,609 --> 00:41:55,800 was a blink of the eye on any Galactic 878 00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,619 time scale but he supports City research 879 00:42:04,609 --> 00:42:00,720 which could lead scientists to conclude 880 00:42:07,490 --> 00:42:04,619 that man is alone in the universe after 881 00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:07,500 all he said such a conclusion would be 882 00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,040 highly significant it would mean that we 883 00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:14,160 are special and that is a report by 884 00:42:17,810 --> 00:42:15,359 Reuters 885 00:42:19,849 --> 00:42:17,820 but I think we have time for one more 886 00:42:22,810 --> 00:42:19,859 report actually and again from the 887 00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:22,820 Canberra times dated the 12th of July 888 00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:27,780 1989. crops have familiar ring 889 00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:31,200 London a series of circles flattening 890 00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:33,359 crops in fields across Southern England 891 00:42:39,290 --> 00:42:36,900 could be the work of an unexplained 892 00:42:42,290 --> 00:42:39,300 intelligence it was alleged on Monday 893 00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,300 night 11 of the swirling shapes were 894 00:42:47,930 --> 00:42:44,880 reported in Hampshire and Wiltshire on 895 00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:47,940 Sunday and two men investigating them 896 00:42:53,450 --> 00:42:50,480 claim there have been 897 00:42:55,730 --> 00:42:53,460 170 so far this year 898 00:42:58,370 --> 00:42:55,740 local government official Colin Andrews 899 00:43:02,089 --> 00:42:58,380 said the phenomena could be linked with 900 00:43:04,730 --> 00:43:02,099 the 1987 death of a Harriet jump Jet 901 00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:04,740 Pilot whose body was found near a group 902 00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:07,260 of circles in Wiltshire after he fell 903 00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:10,020 from his plane he said the pilot could 904 00:43:17,870 --> 00:43:14,040 have crossed a high energy beam which 905 00:43:23,230 --> 00:43:17,880 may have caused the shapes Mr Andrew's 906 00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:23,240 partner retired NASA expert Pat Delgado 907 00:43:28,130 --> 00:43:25,980 said there must be some force field 908 00:43:29,210 --> 00:43:28,140 manipulated by some unexplained 909 00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:29,220 intelligence 910 00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:32,400 he found three of the circles in 1981 911 00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:36,000 and 110 were reported last year 912 00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:39,839 appearing at random in a 6.5 kilometer 913 00:43:47,809 --> 00:43:43,740 wide band running from alfreesten I 914 00:43:51,410 --> 00:43:47,819 think that is East Sussex to Warminster 915 00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:51,420 wheelchair Mr Delgado said he had warned 916 00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,119 the Ministry of Agriculture which 917 00:44:00,050 --> 00:43:56,160 thought the shapes could be caused by 918 00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:00,060 small whirlwinds or Farmers fertilizers 919 00:44:07,609 --> 00:44:02,960 that cereal crops within the Rings 920 00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,619 should not be used for human consumption 921 00:44:13,309 --> 00:44:09,599 there was evidence that the circles 922 00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:13,319 affected insects he claimed a group of 923 00:44:19,550 --> 00:44:16,260 French UFO enthusiasts from a society 924 00:44:21,890 --> 00:44:19,560 called lights in the night traveled to 925 00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:21,900 Winchester on Monday to examine the 926 00:44:25,790 --> 00:44:22,800 Rings 927 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:25,800 the ministry of Defense said it could 928 00:44:28,510 --> 00:44:27,090 not comment 929 00:44:32,030 --> 00:44:28,520 [Music] 930 00:44:33,710 --> 00:44:32,040 I seem to remember and I don't know if I 931 00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:33,720 have it in my archives or not a 932 00:44:41,230 --> 00:44:37,200 documentary about crop circles where 933 00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:41,240 possibly the BBC or another TV outfit 934 00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:44,819 hired some people went out at night and 935 00:44:51,410 --> 00:44:47,880 made a crop circle or two only to have 936 00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:51,420 the crop circle experts roll up the next 937 00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:56,750 to clear it as a real whatever that 938 00:45:00,670 --> 00:44:58,680 means crop circle in other words could 939 00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:00,680 not be faked could not be done by humans 940 00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,079 oh dear now that would be a fun thing to 941 00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:06,960 do one night Skeptics eh run out in the 942 00:45:12,170 --> 00:45:08,720 middle of the night 943 00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:12,180 with a stalk stomper which is what you 944 00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:14,700 use to make crop circles and make a crop 945 00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:18,480 circle or two maybe NASA would be 946 00:45:20,589 --> 00:45:19,150 interested 947 00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:20,599 [Music] 948 00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:23,400 but there we go just some of the few 949 00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:27,920 references to both UFOs and NASA in the 950 00:45:33,130 --> 00:45:31,260 vast Reservoir which is the Trove 951 00:45:35,870 --> 00:45:33,140 archive at 952 00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:35,880 trove.nla.gov dot a u because when you 953 00:45:41,730 --> 00:45:39,540 visit Trove you never know what you 954 00:45:47,390 --> 00:45:41,740 might find 955 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:58,760 please 956 00:46:01,970 --> 00:45:59,870 [Applause] 957 00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,980 thank you for listening to the skeptic 958 00:46:06,589 --> 00:46:03,839 Zone podcast coming up on next week's 959 00:46:10,609 --> 00:46:06,599 show interesting Tales From Trove once 960 00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:10,619 again and my co-conspirator sometimes in 961 00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:12,420 the Trove segment Adrian Hill will be 962 00:46:16,730 --> 00:46:14,460 chiming in with the story of in the 963 00:46:19,130 --> 00:46:16,740 Trove as well 964 00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:19,140 thank you to those people who continue 965 00:46:24,829 --> 00:46:21,200 to support the skeptic Zone at 966 00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,839 skepticzone.tv Via patreon or PayPal 967 00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:26,880 and thank you to those people who have 968 00:46:32,930 --> 00:46:29,940 just signed in your two dollars a month 969 00:46:35,690 --> 00:46:32,940 three dollars a month five ten twenty 970 00:46:38,569 --> 00:46:35,700 dollars a month or whatever you can 971 00:46:41,809 --> 00:46:38,579 contribute really helps to keep the show 972 00:46:43,849 --> 00:46:41,819 going and the cats in kibble 973 00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:43,859 they did enjoy their breakfast I promise 974 00:46:46,490 --> 00:46:45,480 you that they always enjoy their 975 00:46:49,250 --> 00:46:46,500 breakfast 976 00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,260 I think today later on today I might go 977 00:46:53,569 --> 00:46:51,359 to the supermarket and buy some chicken 978 00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:53,579 necks which they particularly like every 979 00:46:58,010 --> 00:46:54,839 now and then 980 00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,020 and they crunch those down with a very 981 00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:01,200 satisfying crunching sound cat owners 982 00:47:06,890 --> 00:47:03,780 might appreciate what I mean 983 00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:06,900 and just before I go as I mentioned in 984 00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:10,079 the in the story about UFOs at the the 985 00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,160 top of the show I I would recommend you 986 00:47:17,690 --> 00:47:16,800 subscribe to the YouTube channel of Mick 987 00:47:20,290 --> 00:47:17,700 West 988 00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:20,300 there's a link in the uh the show notes 989 00:47:26,569 --> 00:47:23,040 it's uh it's a wonderful resource and 990 00:47:28,849 --> 00:47:26,579 Mick does some fantastic work in you 991 00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:28,859 know the word debunking is so loaded he 992 00:47:34,609 --> 00:47:32,400 analyzes UFO videos to discover what's 993 00:47:37,849 --> 00:47:34,619 really going on I think that's the best 994 00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:37,859 way to look at it and again I am very 995 00:47:41,809 --> 00:47:39,540 much looking forward to the release of 996 00:47:44,210 --> 00:47:41,819 Brian dunning's movie the UFO movie they 997 00:47:47,450 --> 00:47:44,220 don't want you to see I was very lucky a 998 00:47:50,030 --> 00:47:47,460 month or so ago to see a preview of the 999 00:47:54,170 --> 00:47:50,040 whole movie and I was very impressed it 1000 00:47:56,990 --> 00:47:54,180 is so interesting uh it's it's really 1001 00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:57,000 a good effort Brian and I can't wait for 1002 00:48:00,890 --> 00:47:58,800 that to be released to the whole world 1003 00:48:04,490 --> 00:48:00,900 complete with the music track which I 1004 00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:04,500 have yet to hear the um the rough cut I 1005 00:48:08,329 --> 00:48:06,420 saw was 1006 00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:08,339 um without music 1007 00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:10,680 it still worked but I can't wait to hear 1008 00:48:16,430 --> 00:48:12,780 the wonderful music written by uh 1009 00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:16,440 Splendid composer and uh a good man lee 1010 00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:19,200 Sanders and just before I go a quick 1011 00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:22,200 shout out to my dear friend Dr Eugenie 1012 00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:24,800 Scott in Berkeley who 1013 00:48:30,349 --> 00:48:28,079 uh really really makes my trips to 1014 00:48:31,970 --> 00:48:30,359 California occasionally 1015 00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:31,980 um extra special 1016 00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:34,800 she's wonderful company and she cooks 1017 00:48:38,690 --> 00:48:36,540 the best chicken I tell you what the 1018 00:48:41,390 --> 00:48:38,700 cat's here are jealous the cats here are 1019 00:48:42,829 --> 00:48:41,400 jealous hello Genie thank you and I look 1020 00:48:44,990 --> 00:48:42,839 forward to seeing you probably a bit 1021 00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:45,000 later in the year where I might be 1022 00:48:51,230 --> 00:48:47,520 giving a workshop in Berkeley 1023 00:48:52,730 --> 00:48:51,240 called the skeptical box of tricks or 1024 00:48:55,370 --> 00:48:52,740 the skeptical bag of tricks something 1025 00:48:58,730 --> 00:48:55,380 like that I'm going to be I'm going to 1026 00:49:01,970 --> 00:48:58,740 be teaching spoon bending origami water 1027 00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:01,980 dividing applied Kinesiology and uh 1028 00:49:08,750 --> 00:49:05,520 maybe something else anyway when I know 1029 00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:08,760 when the local Skeptics there know when 1030 00:49:14,109 --> 00:49:11,520 that's being put together I will 1031 00:49:16,670 --> 00:49:14,119 I will let you know but for this week 1032 00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:16,680 from Sydney Australia this is Richard 1033 00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:24,650 you've been listening to the skeptic 1034 00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:29,359 Zone podcast please visit our website at 1035 00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:31,680 www.skepticzone.tv for show notes 1036 00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:34,800 contacts and to access the back catalog 1037 00:49:40,370 --> 00:49:38,400 of episodes going back to 2008. 1038 00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:40,380 you can follow the skeptic Zone podcast 1039 00:49:46,250 --> 00:49:43,920 on Twitter at skepticzone visit our 1040 00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:46,260 Facebook page or leave a review on 1041 00:49:49,790 --> 00:49:47,520 iTunes 1042 00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:49,800 you can also support the skeptic Zone 1043 00:49:56,450 --> 00:49:53,040 via patreon or PayPal the skeptic Zone 1044 00:49:58,130 --> 00:49:56,460 podcast is an independent production the 1045 00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,140 views and opinions expressed on the 1046 00:50:02,569 --> 00:50:00,240 skeptic zone are not necessarily those 1047 00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:02,579 of Australian Skeptics or any other 1048 00:50:16,430 --> 00:50:04,250 skeptical organization 1049 00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,650 all right so to those people who listen 1050 00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:20,640 after the music occasionally we have an 1051 00:50:26,030 --> 00:50:23,280 Easter egg happy Easter and this is the 1052 00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,040 dice game every now and then 1053 00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:28,079 either me or somebody else like last 1054 00:50:32,329 --> 00:50:30,420 week Susan Gerber and Mark Edward roll a 1055 00:50:35,329 --> 00:50:32,339 10-sided die or a six-sided die or 1056 00:50:38,210 --> 00:50:35,339 something like that and we see if you 1057 00:50:41,210 --> 00:50:38,220 can use your psychic power no your dumb 1058 00:50:43,609 --> 00:50:41,220 luck to predict or guess 1059 00:50:46,490 --> 00:50:43,619 what's the difference I don't know to 1060 00:50:49,549 --> 00:50:46,500 predict or guess the role of the die 1061 00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:49,559 it's a d10 10-sided die one two three 1062 00:50:53,930 --> 00:50:51,420 four five six seven eight nine or ten 1063 00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:53,940 I've got my dice rolling machine here in 1064 00:51:01,010 --> 00:50:56,960 the studio it's like a a fold up box 1065 00:51:03,049 --> 00:51:01,020 it's clear perspex with wood it's like 1066 00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:03,059 in a tray it's very interesting 1067 00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,160 thank you to my friend Greg duray who 1068 00:51:11,569 --> 00:51:07,920 sent that to me some years ago anyway 1069 00:51:14,690 --> 00:51:11,579 here it comes roll number one shake the 1070 00:51:16,010 --> 00:51:14,700 die and put it in and 1071 00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:16,020 one 1072 00:51:23,450 --> 00:51:20,880 here we go again 1073 00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:23,460 here's your predicting power 1074 00:51:28,970 --> 00:51:26,160 and here it comes 1075 00:51:30,829 --> 00:51:28,980 rule number two is three 1076 00:51:32,750 --> 00:51:30,839 more numerology 1077 00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:32,760 now the last one 1078 00:51:40,130 --> 00:51:35,760 and here it comes 1079 00:51:45,650 --> 00:51:41,750 this week's winning numbers 1080 00:51:46,849 --> 00:51:45,660 one three and four and as a 1081 00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,859 supplementary 1082 00:51:49,549 --> 00:51:48,720 I say special I'm going to roll two at 1083 00:51:51,470 --> 00:51:49,559 once 1084 00:51:55,130 --> 00:51:51,480 two D tens 1085 00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:55,140 and it will be a number now 1086 00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:57,000 from 1087 00:52:04,670 --> 00:52:01,200 one to 100 I'll read the numbers in 1088 00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:04,680 order closest to me and that will make a 1089 00:52:09,290 --> 00:52:06,480 number from 1 to 100 so that would be a 1090 00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:09,300 good guess wouldn't it here it comes 1091 00:52:14,089 --> 00:52:12,559 under 100. 1092 00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,099 26.